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Gocc-4Late SleeperAt the start of each round, announce whether or not you will sleep late. If you sleep late, you place all of your people after everyone else has placed all of theirs, but you may also place a Guest token. (If you choose not to sleep late, you place your people normally.)0chris
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Late Sleeper (occ-4+)
At the start of each round, announce whether or not you will sleep late. If you sleep late, you place all of your people after everyone else has placed all of theirs, but you may also place a Guest token. (If you choose not to sleep late, you place your people normally.)

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.chris
Nov 8, 2010 4:08pm
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In my opinion, this is both the most powerful card in G deck and one of the best and most interesting. Completely broken in combination with Freeloader.
http://play-agricola.com/Agricola/GameLogs/allturnserver.php?x=62431
tacticus
Dec 19, 2010 8:13pm
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I'd say this is just a "good" card. Like axe and some other cards, you help others as well as yourself. armyguy
Feb 17, 2011 6:34pm
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How does Axe help others? tacticus
Feb 26, 2011 9:13pm
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This card seems to be getting quite a bit of play and is being taken rather early in drafts, deservedly so.

I still think the card is "cool" but its probably worthwhile to look at as we go forward in designing more cards.

1. Its powerful. Getting extra actions in the early game, even late ones, is going to be strong.
2. Its a card that is better the earlier its played. In light of the discussion of the win rate of the 4 slot we might want to avoid cards that feel like automatic round one plays.
3. The card allows the late sleeper to play a solo style game and not compete for action spaces. Just a vague feeling here, but the Gric is all about competing for action spaces. This card allows you to "opt out" of that.
4. Combos too well with too many cards. The drawbacks of late sleeping are not so bad when you have cards that allow you to place family member on occupied spaces like HOF. It also combos very well with Day Laborer cards as well as grain strategies. That in itself is not a bad thing, but falls into the category of non-competitive.

When you are playing against the late sleeper, how do you stop him? I'm not saying the card is broken. Its just emerged as very powerful. It seems like every game tacticus plays, he has either this card or freeloader (another anti-competitive card).
trey
Mar 16, 2011 11:05am
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