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Gocc-1UnderstudyWhenever an Action space is occupied by exactly one of your Family members, you may use that Action space again with a second Family member. (Newborns count as Family members).0chris
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Understudy (occ-1+)
Whenever an Action space is occupied by exactly one of your Family members, you may use that Action space again with a second Family member. (Newborns count as Family members).

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.chris
Nov 8, 2010 4:13pm
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This card is not proven overly powerful(yet), but falls into the category of automatic first round play in draft games. This card is great if you are 1st through 3rd- if 4th you might just take SP w your first action to play it in round 2.

Falls into the category of "anti-competive cards" that I think we should avoid in the future.
trey
Mar 16, 2011 11:12am
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Quote from: trey on Mar 16, 2011 11:12am
This card is not proven overly powerful(yet), but falls into the category of automatic first round play in draft games. This card is great if you are 1st through 3rd- if 4th you might just take SP w your first action to play it in round 2.

Falls into the category of "anti-competive cards" that I think we should avoid in the future.


hmm, interesting thought.
It is indeed useful to get 2 occs out in round 1 or to double rsf in early rounds, but I see no reason to sp and play it in round 2.

also, why do you think "anti-competive cards" should be avoided?
jingking
Mar 17, 2011 11:32am
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I think that one of the main (incorrect) criticisms of agricola is that it is multiplayer solitaire. However, the main interaction of the game is competing for action spaces. You want to take the best move for yourself but you also absolutely have to consider that every other player is doing and plan accordingly. I think this is the core of the game and I don't think we are doing the game any favors when we let players opt out of that competition with special cards. I also think those cards have proven to be deceptively powerful. Head of Family, Freeloader, Field Warden, and Late Sleeper (somewhat) are all top picks and deservedly so. I'm not saying lets remove these cards, but I don't think we should be making more of them either.

As far as SP, I'll defer to better players on this one, but it seems to me that if you are in the 4 slot you already risk being locked out of occupations in the early game. This card allows you to do those actions that are at their most valuable in Stage 1 - occs and rsf. So you either play this as early as you can or you probably don't at all. SP means you get this out and another critical early occ for just 1f in round two. I think thats an option to consider. What minor you play with SP is important of course.
trey
Mar 17, 2011 11:59am
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Well, first of all, Understudy is slightly different from other cards you mentioned.
You do have to get that action first before you can take it again, so in a sense you are still competing.

Secondly, for all cards that allows you to take occupied spaces (therefore avoid competition), they will make the board richer, which is also an important dynamics of the game.
Note that the same dynamics is there even without those cards.
How often you take nonaccumulating spaces (like rsf, grain, field) decides how rich the board is.

Late Sleeper is definitely not a avoidance card, and obviously it does not make the board richer.
It just let you plan at a different tempo.
jingking
Mar 17, 2011 5:08pm
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