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[View] 		G2minorRamThe Ram counts as a Sheep in your farm for scoring and breeding, but must be fed 1 Food in the Feeding phase of each Harvest or it is discarded. Your Sheep breed at the end of Rounds 6, 8, 10, and 12.1H1jedi[45 Comments]
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Ram (minor)
Cost=1H,   Vps=1,   Prereq=none
The Ram counts as a Sheep in your farm for scoring and breeding, but must be fed 1 Food in the Feeding phase of each Harvest or it is discarded. Your Sheep breed at the end of Rounds 6, 8, 10, and 12.

[View playtest games] [View all dealt games]		 .jedi
Dec 7, 2010 6:02pm
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(Edit: Jun 21, 2011 11:29am)
I voted yes. I think the requirement should be a pasture or a stable rather than an occ. Do you need the VP since the ram counts as a sheep? trey
Dec 8, 2010 11:13am
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Quote from: trey on Dec 8, 2010 11:13am
I voted yes. I think the requirement should be a pasture or a stable rather than an occ.


A Pasture or Stable requirement would be pretty pointless: this guy isn't going do do you much good unless you have a pasture or a stable.		 tacticus
Dec 8, 2010 11:15am
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i give the point because you have to feed the ram each harvest. that upkeep is worth the point. ill change the prereq, not married to occs. jedi
Dec 8, 2010 11:16am
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tacitus, what are your thoughts about prereqs then? jedi
Dec 8, 2010 11:17am
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Quote from: tacticus on Dec 8, 2010 11:15am
Quote from: trey on Dec 8, 2010 11:13am
I voted yes. I think the requirement should be a pasture or a stable rather than an occ.


A Pasture or Stable requirement would be pretty pointless: this guy isn't going do do you much good unless you have a pasture or a stable.

The point is simply that you can't "pre-build" the ram and then acquire the conditions necessary for the card to prosper. Its also thematic. 		trey
Dec 8, 2010 12:01pm
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Quote from: trey on Dec 8, 2010 12:01pm

The point is simply that you can't "pre-build" the ram and then acquire the conditions necessary for the card to prosper. Its also thematic.


I agree that it's thematic, but theme must bow before good design, in my opinion.

I just don't see anyone playing this unless they're going to be able to use its ability. The food cost at harvest combined with the food cost makes it unlikely that anyone would ever play this without room for sheep.		 tacticus
Dec 8, 2010 12:09pm
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Quote from: tacticus on Dec 8, 2010 12:09pm

I agree that it's thematic, but theme must bow before good design, in my opinion.

I just don't see anyone playing this unless they're going to be able to use its ability. The food cost at harvest combined with the food cost makes it unlikely that anyone would ever play this without room for sheep.


Okay, clearly I'm not arguing that theme trumps design. Spare me your straw-man.

I agree the point of playing the ram is to use its ability. But this discussion started because the card had a 1 occ requirement, suggesting that the card might be too powerful if it were allowed to be played too early. Now you're saying that a pasture or stable as a requirement is unnecessary bc no player plays this card without a stable or pasture present anyway. I can see times where I would play the ram prior to getting a stable or pasture simply because it gives me flexibility in timing. Won't there be times where you will get the ram out with starting player and then build a stable or pasture later in the same round?

So a stable or pasture is a small requirement- but its not no requirement. But its also not a point that I'm willing to fight over especially.... err... despite my long response here 		trey
Dec 8, 2010 12:36pm
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I agree with tacticus that the prerequisite looks clunky and unnecessary.

The cost of 1 sheep is a prerequisite in itself in my opinion, thats sufficient.		 zlorfik
Dec 8, 2010 12:45pm
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Yeah, actually, I'd be happy with no prerequisite. tacticus
Dec 8, 2010 12:47pm
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