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[View] 		G3minorChameleonWhen you play this card, you receive 1 Wild boar. You may keep 1 Wild boar in each of your pastures that hold Sheep. (Pastures can still only hold the normal amount of animals).1H0slim[15 Comments]
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2014-12-15 18:42:04
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Chameleon (minor)
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When you play this card, you receive 1 Wild boar. You may keep 1 Wild boar in each of your pastures that hold Sheep. (Pastures can still only hold the normal amount of animals).

[View playtest games] [View all dealt games]		 .slim
May 24, 2011 11:22am
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Why "before scoring"? Why not "At the end of the game"? chris
May 24, 2011 11:27am
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This is very strong. Compared to Cattle market, you pay the same (one sheep) and you get a different animal (boar not cattle). But then,
- the card is not passing (you keep it)
AND
- you can keep boars and sheep in the same pasture
AND
- you get bonus points for that.		 hala
May 24, 2011 1:26pm
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This card didn't strike me as that strong when I read it, but maybe I'm not thinking about how I could alter my animal collection strategy to really take advantage of it.

It does seem like it might lead to arguments about theme (maybe not among us, but in some play groups) since the black cube is apparently supposed to represent a black sheep but is still a wild board for the purpose of game mechanics.

If my pasture is at maximum capacity with sheep, can I still keep a wild boar in it as well? I assume not, but I'm not 100% certain of that interpretation.

 rhentzel
May 24, 2011 1:58pm
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Thematically, the name Black Sheep is intended to be more of a pun than a description. One, wild boars look like black sheep with the original agricola pieces. Two, "black sheep" is a phrase that means something that doesn't fit in, and a wild boar doesn't fit in with sheep.

Hala's strength issue is true. I didn't think of it. For now, I'll remove the bonus points. I'll also clarify that if a pasture is at maximum capacity, you cannot fit more sheep in it.		 slim
May 24, 2011 2:31pm
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Quote from: slim on May 24, 2011 2:31pm
Two, "black sheep" is a phrase that means something that doesn't fit in, and a wild boar doesn't fit in with sheep.


I would say that "black sheep" has a narrower meaning than that; it's not just something that doesn't fit in (like, say, a doll on a woodpile), but specifically a disreputable or scandal-tainted person (who would otherwise fit in, except for past behavior). As such, the only thing that I see that this title has going for it is the pun, and I think that could--conceivably--lead to confusion.

Having removed the bonus points, this just doesn't seem that great to me. Upgrading a sheep to a boar isn't too bad, I guess, but the really interesting effect--keeping boar in a sheep pasture--just doesn't seem that useful. I suspect that I'd only play this for the boar-for-sheep exchange.

More precisely, if I have two pastures, I think I'd just put the sheep in one and boar in the other (and keep my cattle in my house). If I don't have two pastures, I think it's unlikely that the 2 points from having a boar is going to save me (though I admit that it could).
 rhentzel
Jun 1, 2011 12:51pm
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Yea I agree with you. I actually didn't this card would get this highly voted! It was really just supposed to be a joke card, until Brothers before Hoes came and blew it out of the water lol. slim
Jun 1, 2011 2:33pm
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Well since this card apparently made the cut, despite the pun being removed, I am making a slight revision to power it up and make it more playable under its new name:

You may keep 1 wild boar in each of your pastures that hold sheep or cattle.

This should stay with the new theme (Foilage Hut), while making the card a lot more useful late game.		 slim
Feb 21, 2013 3:01am
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Quote from: slim on Feb 21, 2013 3:01am
Well since this card apparently made the cut, despite the pun being removed, I am making a slight revision to power it up
why do you power up a card that was well liked as it was? sorry, but i don't get it. people vote on a card that they like, and then it gets changed for no reason.		 letsdance
Feb 21, 2013 9:43pm
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The reason I changed it is 3-fold:
-While it was well-liked, the play rate is abysmal (my preference is around 1 in 4 excluding solos for a card like this, not 1 in 6).
-I have been absent for over a year, and I have been unable to make balance adjustments to the cards that many others have.
-Adding cattle seems like a practical change that has no impact and even supports the new theme. I was resistant to changes before because I didn't want to impact the "Black Sheep" theme.

However, I will change it back to how it was because of your comment. Perhaps, I have been over-eager in tweaking these cards now that I am back. However, I still like the idea of including cattle in the card now that the name is Foilage Hut. What do others think?		 slim
Feb 22, 2013 7:23am
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