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[View] 		G3minorGrain Mill OvenYou can't Bake bread with the Grain Mill Oven. Clay and Stone Ovens are Minor Improvements for you. You may discard this instead of paying an Oven's cost. When you play this card, you can immediately take the "Bake bread" action.1C,1S0senseless[36 Comments]
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2014-10-15 22:23:10
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Grain Mill Oven (minor)
Cost=1C,1S,   Vps=0,   Prereq=none
You can't Bake bread with the Grain Mill Oven. Clay and Stone Ovens are Minor Improvements for you. You may discard this instead of paying an Oven's cost. When you play this card, you can immediately take the "Bake bread" action.

[View playtest games] [View all dealt games]		 .senseless
May 29, 2011 1:46pm
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And it's an Oven, so you can discard it for the prereq for multiple minor improvements. senseless
May 29, 2011 1:46pm
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Should this say "you may discard it from play instead of paying costs for an Oven Improvement" to increase minor imp interactivity?
Or does that clause make this too strong and headache-inducing? (can I return and discard this to both fulfil the prereq and also pay the cost of this "return an oven" minor imp?)		 senseless
Jun 3, 2011 5:54pm
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You cannot bake when playing a card with oven symbol and gives you a baking action? that sounds weird.

I would like to make 2 suggestions.
1. remove the baking action: in general, this does not matter since people will play this first and use the baking action when they buy the real oven.
2. add "ovens are minor improvements to you." If you spend 1 minor action to play this and still need a major action to play the oven, that will be weak. Cf. Baking tray. They are different enough since this is an oven itself.		 beso
Jun 3, 2011 8:56pm
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I would definitely allow this to sub in for any oven. I had this with Wood Fired Oven and Iron Oven and would have liked to use this on one of those. I don't see a problem with the free bake, it's a nice addition if you use this for second oven. rune_
Jun 4, 2011 1:04am
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This now can be discarded from play to pay for any oven. Remember you can't discard it for the prereq and discard it too for the cost.

@beso: the free baking action on this card won't be used in games with early stone; but in 1p and 2p means you can toast your grain with a fireplace or hearth. Also, making ovens minor imps is both too powerful and anti-thematic. 		senseless
Jun 4, 2011 7:16am
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Quote from: senseless on Jun 4, 2011 7:16am
This now can be discarded from play to pay for any oven. Remember you can't discard it for the prereq and discard it too for the cost.

I wasn't clear on this before reading your comment. Can that be clarified on the card?

Quote from: senseless on Jun 4, 2011 7:16am
Also, making ovens minor imps is both too powerful and anti-thematic.

I completely disagree with this statement. I feel like making ovens a minor improvement would be very thematic, since you already put some effort into building the oven. Secondly, in my opinion, allowing you to build an oven on a minor action space would merely change this card from a late-draft situational card to a card you can use to build your strategy.		 slim
Jun 4, 2011 2:54pm
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Now it makes Major Ovens into minors.

Quote from: slim on Jun 4, 2011 2:54pm
Quote from: senseless on Jun 4, 2011 7:16am
This now can be discarded from play to pay for any oven. Remember you can't discard it for the prereq and discard it too for the cost.

I wasn't clear on this before reading your comment. Can that be clarified on the card?


It's common logic: If you discard this for the prereq, it's not in play for you to discard instead of paying, and viceversa.		 senseless
Jun 5, 2011 2:21am
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Quote from: slim on Jun 4, 2011 2:54pm
Quote from: senseless on Jun 4, 2011 7:16am
Also, making ovens minor imps is both too powerful and anti-thematic.

I completely disagree with this statement. I feel like making ovens a minor improvement would be very thematic, since you already put some effort into building the oven. Secondly, in my opinion, allowing you to build an oven on a minor action space would merely change this card from a late-draft situational card to a card you can use to build your strategy.

Also this is most likely used for only one minor oven as most likely it will get discarded for the cost and you will lose the effect. If you only use this to turn all ovens into minors you have an expensive and worse baking tray .		 rune_
Jun 5, 2011 2:27am
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Question: How would this interact with Ceramics, Meat Seller, or Glassblower?
Since I need an oven to play Ceramics, this should work.
Can the Meat Seller bake animals in this oven?
Can the Glassblower use the oven to make glass?		 playerx
Jun 18, 2011 6:26am
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